Old School vs New School

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Although I was, and at times still am, a noob in the old days I noticed one thing that no one has mentioned in this topic. It is simply about pullers and chokers. First I will explain that pullers, believe it or not were supposed to balance chokers and vice vera. Pushers balanced pushers and shooters balanced shooters.

Secondly the no pulling mod/rule servers implement baisically renders half of the heros team useless.

"There are too many chokers nowadays"- no *uckin* way. Did you notice that most of the characters on the villains team are chokers? That might explain why.

Perfect block only ruins the game when people whore it/use it in a corner/wall. You have two options, grab a shooter and blow em up or choke em.

As for double pulling cry me a river build a bridge and get over it. That is what Vader's speed is for. Just block wait for them to pull and let it hit ur block then rush em with ur vader speed/ramps etc. Problem solved.

As for what this topic was actually started for NS v OS if the OS had stuck around then yes they would win by using a combo of old moves and new ones beating those that only know the new stuff.

[Neji]

Diety, next time you should look into things before you start acting like a hardass and how you and JOG are so great at the game and so on. You remind me of Santa Cookies, its awful. I'm not going to start a flame war in this topic, so I'm just going to continue on with my initial reply before you provoked me...

This "new school player" squadron you speak of wouldn't get raped by pullers. As far as I'm concerned, each and every one of us know how to use and fight against pullers. It's all the same, its a long ranged pusher that uses up force more quickly and doesn't know what to do when your up in their face. I can fight off pullers with ease, so can Sinister, so can Fearless, so can Tyrlan. This is why your statement makes no sense... Your just blinded with the past and your own pride.

It's true that JOG has played on teams together for consecutive years, but you haven't looked into the fact that there are people out there that also have, and can work amazingly as a team. Take me and Fearless, probably the most unbeatable 2on2 team out there, or Sinister I and Fearless. We have all worked together for years now, and know how each and every one of us play and how we can do anything to assist each other as a team. Individual skill is only a minor factor of a team match, so regardless of our individual skill being better, you never even considered our team skill because you automatically assume just because a few of JOG's members play together in a match that they are the one of the best teams in the game.

I doubt you have even played with any of the great players nowadays. Take Tyrlan for example, one of the best team players I have ever seen. He carries GoR a lot in their matches, at least from what I've seen. But when it comes to 1on1 skill, there are many that are triumphant over him. Regardless he's one of the best camelions and team based players this game has seen.

If you weren't blinded by your own pride, you would see it all.

And as for Sinister using me to post, Off has him banned for no reason. I'm not just some kid, remember that. It doesn't make us look bad for coming over here to make a friendly post in a friendly topic, it makes you look bad for criticizing it, deleting the post, acting like a total hardass in your own words in MY post, then jumping to conclusions. I personally don't care what you think of me, never did because your not a player that deserves respect, nor did you create the backslash LOL.

Anyways, let's take this to PM's if you want to continue, I don't want to flood this topic, I want others to post their matter of opinion in it like it was made for.

[DEITY]

Diety, next time you should look into things before you start acting like a hardass and how you and JOG are so great at the game and so on. You remind me of Santa Cookies, its awful. I'm not going to start a flame war in this topic, so I'm just going to continue on with my initial reply before you provoked me...

It's true that JOG has played on teams together for consecutive years, but you haven't looked into the fact that there are people out there that also have, and can work amazingly as a team. Take me and Fearless, probably the most unbeatable 2on2 team out there, or Sinister I and Fearless. We have all worked together for years now, and know how each and every one of us play and how we can do anything to assist each other as a team. Individual skill is only a minor factor of a team match, so regardless of our individual skill being better, you never even considered our team skill because you automatically assume just because a few of JOG's members play together in a match that they are the one of the best teams in the game.

I doubt you have even played with any of the great players nowadays. Take Tyrlan for example, one of the best team players I have ever seen. He carries GoR a lot in their matches, at least from what I've seen. But when it comes to 1on1 skill, there are many that are triumphant over him. Regardless he's one of the best camelions and team based players this game has seen.

If you weren't blinded by your own pride, you would see it all.

And as for Sinister using me to post, Off has him banned for no reason. I'm not just some kid, remember that. It doesn't make us look bad for coming over here to make a friendly post in a friendly topic, it makes you look bad for criticizing it, deleting the post, acting like a total hardass in your own words in MY post, then jumping to conclusions. I personally don't care what you think of me, never did because your not a player that deserves respect, nor did you create the backslash LOL.

Anyways, let's take this to PM's if you want to continue, I don't want to flood this topic, I want others to post their matter of opinion in it like it was made for.

and neji your a 2 bit hack and always have been, keep doing dirty deeds for others in the hopes of gaining video game accolades.

and yeah i wasnt sure if he was banned or not we are discussing that at present

however if he is banned, then its for a reason which means his comments arent welcome here until he has rectified the problem.

you knowing this, and still posting his words, are just being a utter fucking jackass.

run along little bitch, im thru talking to unworthy lil cunts such as yourself

[Neji]

Whatever helps you keep your pride Deity, whatever helps it. These are my words, retard, as was the last post. I don't hope to gain accolades in a video game, that's just low. But if deleting posts on a video game website and talking down to people to take credit in a video game for stuff you never did, its just showing your a spoiled little bitch that will do whatever he can for attention and fame.

[{JOG}Mastaisac]

Neji, you do understand that it's not his opinion that makes us annoyed, it's the way in which it was presented.  Deity hit it right on the head, don't post Sinisters message like some sort of errand boy, let Sinister post his own message and defend his own thoughts. 

[DEITY]

Whatever helps you keep your pride Deity, whatever helps it. These are my words, retard, as was the last post. I don't hope to gain accolades in a video game, that's just low. But if deleting posts on a video game website and talking down to people to take credit in a video game for stuff you never did, its just showing your a spoiled little bitch that will do whatever he can for attention and fame.

well there are others here and there that can back the baclslash setiment if thats what your talking about

and i think i was pretty respectful, i told you what was what regarding the posting of sinister, and explainined my OPNION on the newskill vs oldskill debate, and was pretty damn clear it was just my opinion.

to cherry pick the best players now from various teams in stupid to me, a lesser teamworked orienteed team familiar with them could beat them, ive seen it happen several times, ergo its my opinion on the matter u dipshit.

and bragging about 2v2s lol what a chump ass thing to say, 2v2s are for those bottom feeder clans that dont have the real numbers or quality people to do a real clan match (4v4 or 5v5) you read that llike an accomplishment, i read it as a joke

[{GOR}Master~Tyrlan]

I've actually worked really well with certain vVv members in the past, and in general.  We rarely even need to communicate, we just know what to do and when to do it.  How this works, i don't know.  But the time you spend working with someone considering this isn't the only factor after all, unless this can somehow be explained.  I've probably only done one or two scrims at most on team with SOME of their members, and yet i can still play well with them when i do. 

In saying this, I'm not saying any opinions are wrong, I'm merely saying there is something missing in the equation deciding who can work best with who... unless it's just me...  LOL.

Heyyy i can still do well in a 1v1.  As long as you don't camp a single building all day I'm good to go. 

Anyways... Neji, you and Sinister should know by now that posts with even the slightest provocative content are not going to be taken well here, just as it doesn't go well on your site(*cough* Spidey lol)  I have no clue what it said so i can't judge that, but it really just 'provoked' all of this mess mainly because it provoked the members here. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been provocative because it doesn't fit YOUR definition of provocative.  "You provoke us, you get it back tenfold".  Sound familiar? 

I'm not trying to be provocative myself, I'm just pointing out the obvious. 

[{JOG}Off!]

I've actually worked really well with certain vVv members in the past, and in general.  We rarely even need to communicate, we just know what to do and when to do it.  How this works, i don't know.  But the time you spend working with someone considering this isn't the only factor after all, unless this can somehow be explained.  I've probably only done one or two scrims at most on team with SOME of their members, and yet i can still play well with them when i do. 

In saying this, I'm not saying any opinions are wrong, I'm merely saying there is something missing in the equation deciding who can work best with who... unless it's just me...  LOL.

Heyyy i can still do well in a 1v1.  As long as you don't camp a single building all day I'm good to go. 

Anyways... Neji, you and Sinister should know by now that posts with even the slightest provocative content are not going to be taken well here, just as it doesn't go well on your site(*cough* Spidey lol)  I have no clue what it said so i can't judge that, but it really just 'provoked' all of this mess.  "You provoke us, you get it back tenfold".  Sound familiar? 

I'm not trying to be provocative myself, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

no point in talking back to neji here, my arm was twisted into banning him.

[{GOR}Master~Tyrlan]

Urgh could you at least let him reply once? 

[DEITY]

I've actually worked really well with certain vVv members in the past, and in general.  We rarely even need to communicate, we just know what to do and when to do it.  How this works, i don't know.  But the time you spend working with someone considering this isn't the only factor after all, unless this can somehow be explained.  I've probably only done one or two scrims at most on team with SOME of their members, and yet i can still play well with them when i do. 

In saying this, I'm not saying any opinions are wrong, I'm merely saying there is something missing in the equation deciding who can work best with who... unless it's just me...  LOL.

Heyyy i can still do well in a 1v1.  As long as you don't camp a single building all day I'm good to go. 

Anyways... Neji, you and Sinister should know by now that posts with even the slightest provocative content are not going to be taken well here, just as it doesn't go well on your site(*cough* Spidey lol)  I have no clue what it said so i can't judge that, but it really just 'provoked' all of this mess.  "You provoke us, you get it back tenfold".  Sound familiar? 

I'm not trying to be provocative myself, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

cool someone else sharing their OPINION

im not saying mine was right or wrong, was about as clear as you can be about it being the thoughts of just 1 person.

all i can say is in my personal exp ive beaten many clans that were prob better than us individually, if we did 5 diff 1v1s as opposed to 5v5 we would prob have lost, but b.c of our cohesion it worked out for us, in some cases quite brillantly.

all i have his my perspective and xp on the matter everyone else has diff opinions maybe someone worked as a team for a long time and they sucked lol i dunno all i can say is it worked great for me.

yeah neji is banned now for acting like a spoiled little shithead

i was pretty fair in my argument and he thought he was mr billy bad ass or something, he wouldnt get away talking to anyone like that let alone me.

i think he was a bit butthurt over my comments but it is what it is, you come from a shit background neji, you act like shit and associate with shit. you will be treated accordingly. your of the opinion that your important here or even more laughably, to the bf2 community. its not the case, your an aight player, and sinister is good, but you two are so full of shit youll never get enough other good guys to round out a solid 5 man squad, let alone have the depth for alternates. its the reason your clans come and go as the wind, just a bunch of ego-whores, hasnt worked in 2 years or w/e and wont work in the future. go outside and play with a gun and spare us the consistent BS, the world would truly be a better place had your mother swallowed you that night for the extra $5 and 40 of schlitz. 

*thx for getting this back to em Meph!

[Mephiles The Dark]

assume stuff much? im here to read about the topic, not for the other two, sorry

im pretty much ignoring everything having to do with the fight, but i did see your little message to me at the bottom, im not relaying any messages lol

[Bradley_Jay]

[DEITY]

assume stuff much? im here to read about the topic, not for the other two, sorry

im pretty much ignoring everything having to do with the fight, but i did see your little message to me at the bottom, im not relaying any messages lol

goood i appluad that

was a bit of a joke didnt know if u would but saw u reading it

frankly i dunno wtf is up with that kid, neji can act cool and then around and be a total dick just to try and show off or something.

i didnt have a prob with em at all until he tried to play the tuff guy routine.

same with sinister actually i was sure if he was banned, i know he is now, but neji apparently knew he was pre-post and did it just to stir the pot.

if sinister wants his opinions known here he can try to fix the problems between him and jog, that he is concerned here is laughable man not really a thought on anyones mind here but its funny knowing dumb stuff like this still irks people.
it wasnt a particularly nice post either, its one thing to disagree its another to be disrespectful. and to be banned on top off it lol come on man

for people that claim to not care about this game anymore they must be really insecure to still keep tabs like this.

[{JOG}Mastaisac]

lol, you guys fail to realize that this was not about Sinister's post, this was about him being banned from the site.  We don't want any of his messeges to be displayed here because quite frankly it creates problems (like it's doing now).  There is no conspiracy theory on JOG to be had or any long discussion to be talked about.  A ban is a BAN.  That warrants users on this site not seeing Sinister's name anywhere on the site or any of his messages brought up by his co-horts.  We here at JOG will implement that on anyone who is banned.  Again Sinister, it was not your opinion on this that annoyed us, it was simply the fact that you are banned from the site.  If you truly wish to post here again, start re-building bridges with JOG members instead of posting up more bashing comments on the abyss.  Again, this was not a shot at you Sinister or a shot at Neji, it was instead a rule that is throughly implemented daily.

Me and Deity tend to not really look at the admin tab much, so we were both kind of confused if Sin was banned or not.  On top of that, Neji was being allowed to post for a while ( we have had problems with him in the past and have banned him) so we just assumed that Sinister was allowed to post as well.  Our bad, I guess we have been too nice as of late.  However, since Sinister and Neji knew full well that Sinister was banned, they should have known that posting banned users messeges on this board will be an immediate delete.  If anything, Sin's post was (yet again) to stir up controversy within the community.  Again, this was simply a follow through on our rules here at JOG. 

[Coyote_Spi]

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